I dont know if he actually used the binoculars to spot them. As you can see, the numbers are the same. CN: Middle aged man, resident of Delphi. I do not feel comfortable using his initials or certainly his name. was unsealed by a county court on Tuesday, revealing key new details. Although the exact murder weapon is redacted in the warrant, Body Bags host and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan told Grace that the killer likely used an edged weapon, given the amount of blood found at the crime scene. We believe he staged the crime with these elaborate props either before or after the crime from this exact location. That is because we got these statements either directly from LE, official case documents, or the same conclusions reached independently by two different sources (for this to be false, both sources would have had to make up the exact same lie), or from direct statements from one of the girls guardians. not sure I agree . In fact, the rumor is that LE simply does not have enough evidence against Mr. X to take the case to court. Considering I often cannot view website news articles because of data protection laws? Director of Atlantas Cold Case Research Institute and Atlanta metro-area CSI, Sheryl McCollum, said she believes the killer likely posed the victims bodies, instead of staging, for a form of gratification. Can you email me with her name, please? Libby and Abby went missing on 13 February 2017 after they set off on a hike along the Monon High Bridge Trail in Delphi, Indiana. R/DelphiMurders is completely useless due to their no rumors or speculation rules, which means that you can only discuss what is proven about the case, which after four years, is just about nothing. I think cycles finally straighten out at age 15. The state has to prove it. (Images via the FBI). Idle speculation at its finest. LE blew off their concerns and called off the search, citing safety concerns for the searchers but seemingly had little of the same concerns for the missing teens who could have been severely hurt and unable to help themselves, just waiting for someone in LE to find them that night. Because that is a deer kit around his waist. The Indiana State Police on Friday made progress in the 2017 cold case, commonly known as the Delphi murders. You mentioned that the police are allowed to lie to the public. Enough is enough. Kelsi German: Sister of Libby. Thing is, over time your information tends to get better. No charges have been issued against Miller in relation to the Delphi case. I am not revealing the name of the main suspect here and will only refer to him as Mr. X. I also request all commenters to also refer to him as Mr. X. I do this as a simple measure to try to protect his identity. Id be surprised if he were in on this, but stranger things have happened. This just doesnt bode well for him, I mean ESPECIALLY if you consider that he asked to search the Logan property and came up empty-handed. Drunkard perhaps. Mr Logans home was just 1,400 feet from the location where Libby and Abbys bodies were discovered on Valentines Day 2017. Just thought I would draw your attention to it. Do have any knowledge the workers from Indiana who were transferred over there in 2011-2012, which plant they came from Indiana and which plant they came to work on in Evansdale? What I noticed in the article is that in cases of stating and posing bodies, the perpetrator and the victims are, compared to other murders, on average, older. Its a farce! Four people are involved at least peripherally, BG and three others. Suspect in Delphi murders on police radar since the killings When Allen voluntarily spoke to police on Oct. 26, 2022, he said he never allowed anyone to borrow that gun, which he said he owned since 2001, the document added. No one has to believe me when I say LE has a main suspect, but there are number of suspects that ought to be put to rest. I read 1 of them is still in grief counseling for it- so im pretty sure she doesnt wanna talk about it. Thats because he was competition. Cop: Come on, man, we know you did it. Kegan Kline cannot be involved either. The idea that a gag order was issued on this truck is an unconfirmed rumor. And I seriously doubt that any of those POIs have access to all of those sensitive case documents or that any of them have a personality like that. Occupation: Handicrafter making wooden signs. A user allegedly shared them on a FB group a few days ago. Both girls were posed with their legs spread wide in a sexual posing. Photos of Abby Williams, left, and Libby German, right, at police headquarters in Delphi, Indiana. BG is a 50 year old man. The problem here is that before 5:30 PM, no one knew the girls were missing other than the families and a few friends. When I was young I would take off till late evening, and it was ok. 2-13 again. Press J to jump to the feed. Top 3 Legends of All Time in Soccer America, Top 3 legends of All Time in Hollywood in America, Top 4 Major Cities in America of All Time. The boots appear to be Indiana Packers boots. He even brought his phone in and took it apart to reveal the GPS device in it so they could look at it. I cant tell you how many searches I participated in when I was in uniform for kids this age. He killed at least five people, specializing in young women. See the photo Weve got a secret? We think the secret is that one girl is pregnant. Required fields are marked *. Any info you can get us on this will be much appreciated! But I see the home is raised. The girls bodies were discovered on his property - just1,400 from his house - and it was revealed over the summer that his alibi for the day of the murder did not line up. Thats not very many. Ive never heard about all these details this is crazy. Im curious if Mr X knew KAK or his father? "He put himself at the scene, on the bridge.". 24/7 coverage of breaking news and live events. The rarity of "unusual" [corrected] dispositions of victim bodies 3) This man is a *heavy* smoker and a functioning alcoholic. Forgive me if Ive missed this, but whats keeping police from arresting this guy? So when LE said the younger sketch is the one who committed the crime, they were correct! I see you may have particular interest in the Evansdale case due to proximity. But they used experts to clean it up with fancy software and groups of experts got together to try to figure out what was being said. However, an interesting theory is that BG may have attempted to frame Ron Logan with this crime for obscure reasons. Where all opportunists go to insert themselves into the case. It is interesting that they are looking for precisely 43 seconds of audio. I almost feel as though LE doesnt want to solve this crime, and that scares me. So the stellar members of LE have RL arrested and sent to jail all the while knowing he couldnt have committed this crime but doing NOTHING to stop the entire community from believing, first, that RL was a main suspect in the case,, and second, believing that he was in jail because he was a suspect! He can be heard saying, "Guys, down the hill," in the short video and investigators created two composite sketches based on this evidence. Aaron Keller May 17th, 2022, 8:19 pm. He lives in an ivory colored mobile looking home within the country. Lists a factory as place of residence. He died in 2020 and the case remains unsolved to this day. Forgive me if someone else posted this.but the FBI was called in immediately. I realize unsolved would be a magnet for that but wow. where Liberty German and Abigail Williams were seen before they were reported missing by their families on Feb. 13, 2017. Some claims are listed as unverified. He saved society a lot of money by eating a bullet, freeing up some fresh air and making the world the tiniest bit of a better place. Forget it. I would like to know if he has any motorcycle club affiliation, especially regarding a certain outfit with a reputation to be feared around that area? However, shouldnt that same exact principle/logic apply to Mr. X? Find these clothes, they will be what solves this! Two young girls disappear off of an extraordinarily dangerous bridge in the middle of the day when they had plans to be picked up at a specific time? Here's what we've learned and what remains unclear: Abby and Libby, best friends in the eighth grade, were on a hiking trail in rural Delphi when they were killed in February 2017. FSG has been someone that I cannot let go of either. Underwear, possible two pairs, was found in the river. Was Mr X aware of the pregnancy and the murder was to hide that fact? LE caught Mr. X in the lies about losing his keys, calling his wife to bring him a spare, and a spare even existing in the first place. It finally started to sink in to these geniuses when the case was made look one of the eye witnesses who contributed to the 1st BG sketch is a lady who lives right behind Ron Logan, dont you think if the Killer was Ron that she would say, simply yeah the guy I saw that day lives right behind me? Not that anyone who has half a brain needs to be convinced Ron Logan is not the killer lol. Wow, this is some incredible news. So hes a murderer. The sheriffs deputy did not work on the case. An image taken from the video was released years ago as police asked for information to help them find the unknown suspect. This will dispel some rumors. See, Im not like how they say at all, am I? Or wet sneaker. I dont know if Mr. X is part of the groups promoting the trail system, but for some reason, I doubt it. Hi Robert, can you tell me if FSG and/or his brother were part of the search parties on either day? In my experience, this points to chicanery. Theres no evidence that Tony Kline has ever been a suspect or has ever been interviewed by the police. Well have a conversation about it, hell say, you know, Its such a tragedy, and well say were sorry for the families and all of them. I DO think that if there is evidence of staging that insinuates a methodology , therefore suggests it could be a serial killer. I find it ironic that he lived close to the Flora fires, and it wouldnt surprise me if he was linked to Evansdale as well. Please help me out here. If it was an adult male, that changes things considerably. Investigators have long suspected that this man is the girls killer and have praised the girls for documenting the video as evidence. That leads me, and others more knowledgeable than me, that there was SOMETHING with the bodies (possibly posed)that local LE thought there could be a serial killer. Its not clear how? Police say they ruled Eldridge out as a suspect, and that he did not match an updated sketch of the suspect. Empiricism is a thing. Abby was the one that had the boyfriend. Photo by LIBBY GERMAN / FACEBOOK He will crack soon. Thank you! We would say it is low. Im sure his wife Mrs. X knows or suspects what he has done but she wont roll overKeep up the great work and hopefully they get this SOB! That makes no sense. And if Mr. X was being tried today and I was on the jury, I would certainly vote to acquit. It is certainly an interesting question, is it not? Was Mr X aware of the pregnancy and the murder was to hide that fact? The victims, according to the warrant, didnt have any defense wounds, but some articles of clothing were taken from them and removed from the scene, while the killer placed the victims bodies in what investigators called a staged manner. I seem like the nicest guy youve met. Libby had gotten smitten with this young man and wanted to meet him. Really. Why dont you do a show on our theories. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Summer months. Because of the nature of the victims wounds, it is nearly certain the perpetrator of the crime would have gotten blood on his person/clothing, the agent wrote. All Rights Reserved. We also heard it from someone very close to a detective who was working on the case who had confided in them. German was your usual extrovert, with a dream of one day becoming a science teacher. On the day the girls went missing, Libby had posted photos on Snapchat of her and Abby walking along the trail. If they were killed right away, its no problem, but if they were not killed until 12 hours later, its one more thing that makes no sense. You Go Girl! The only DNA found on the girls was that of Kelsi, sister of Libby. If anyone else is involved they know who it is. Only a few seconds of the 43-seconds long recording have not been made public. I hope someday this horrendous crime will be solved. Despite mention of a gun, it's not clear if Abby or Libby died from gunshot wounds. To get that, he said one of two things happens: 1.) Over the summer, the details of a search warrant revealed that Libby and Abigail were found covered in blood, and that their killer appeared to have taken a souvenir of some sort from the murder site. There would have to be some sort of connection to Mr. X for me to suspect him, and I dont see any as of yet other than odd behavior in searching for the girls. She mentions how the search parties on the 13th had a hard time finding the girls because they didnt think the were looking for bodies but alive girls and she says additionally, also they were partially covered. What does that mean? Face is in quotes because it's likely my mind just making a rational picture out of sticks and tree trunks. We dont know if or when he worked for them before or after. Better to let your officers go home for a few hours so theyd be ready for work the next morning. The bodies were found posed by the killer, who is believed to have been between five and ten feet tall and 180 to 200 pounds. She has channeled her pain into grief and sadness. Some new info here. He killed a woman. They have their own sources. We may or may not have from 1-8 more official case documents from this case. These people are from all over the country and have expertise in all sorts of different areas. All I ask is that you say that our suspect is named Mr. X, and we absolutely refuse to identify this man. He also allegedly asked his cousin to back up his story before the girls bodies had been found. The fact that I believe LE has been busy trying to cover up the mistakes they made early on leads me to believe that they inadvertently helped BG get away with this horrendous crime and continue to do so by withholding almost every piece of information possible from the public, while at the same time begging for that one tip they need to make an arrest. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Yes, they did record audio of themselves torturing those girls. I am thinking of reasons why the FBI was immediately involved and now the focus is not on a possible interstate killer. I am thinking that maybe which ever one was pregnant may not have known. Cookie Notice The Hanish & Bowen case have revealed this for them (thus the new direction & young BG sketch & ditching of old BG sketch in 2019 a month after Hanish)I bet Hanish was catfished using that Anthony_Shots account toohe mustve been told or overheard info about the Delphi murders & therefore removedBowen removed for either the same thing or fact she knew the truth behind Hanish murder (b/c I definitely am not buying that Kirts is bisexual & choked him out during a weird sexcapade, gimme a break). Your critiques are not even making sense. And at the end, Carter says, He may even be in this room right now, (he was in fact) and then looks in the complete opposite direction of Mr. X. Wait so the part about him recording the crime is some search warrant given to someone where the cops wanted to check media files. Of course, we know now that they were killed but as far as LE was concerned, that very night, those girls were alive and may have been in desperate need of assistance. The LE source below is an LE sources close to the Delphi Murders investigation. Its as if she took the grief of a whole town under her breast and pledged to suffer for them all, Jesus-like. Allen's lead defense attorney Brad Rozzi did not respond to a request for comment and fellow attorney Andrew Baldwin declined to comment. Too fucking bad. I guess he cant make up his mind. There is also the possibility that the act itself created the impression of posing when in fact it was not. There are cases like this all over the country. A handgun, in order to do ballistics tests on it. I am friends with one of the parents and to my knowledge, no one has been told if this was sexual or not, only people have speculated. Sometimes victims are posed as a signature as if to say when I do this again you will recognize my handy work and give me the credit although we have no evidence to suggest there was any posing at all. At this point, they dont even have enough for an arrest. Fondled similarly to Libby. Number 5 was told to JM, an excellent local sleuth, and then to us by an Indiana detective who works in Narcotics based on crime scene photos he had seen. Big KAK getting hungry and Dad is no longer speaking to him. Not sure why that is. Reminiscent of a small hatchet, not a typical knife. This GPS device showed that his phone had been at the CPS building from 12-5 on the day of the murders. The fact that the mere mention of FSG as anything more than a helpful old man out for a daily stroll is met with such hostility well, that raises all sorts of red flags with me even if the vitriol is coming from true crime enthusiasts on Reddit. Turned out he was just some troll who wanted people to think he committed these murders instead of being the person who actually did them. Education history: Primary and junior high unknown. I I heard the girls say repeatedly, Its Elementary Watson, and 2 plus 2 equals 4. Long, 22 pages. Brad was a suspect for a while, and one of the detectives working on the case even stated off the record that he thought Brad did it. It was my understanding that a local news channel had posted 1 crime scene photo to their Facebook page, and that it was of clothing in the creek. Too much points to them to be coincidence. DELPHI, Ind. There is a difference between a scene that is staged and a scene that is posed, McCollum said. Last, I want to bring up RL and the dirty hand LE dealt him throughout all of this. Also, I was interested in whether you may be able to cover Harmony Montgomerys case? He was right in the middle of all the police and media, and no one suspected him. Thats probably your answer. Allen, who is also known as Ricky Allen and Rick Allen, is 50 years old and lives in Delphi, about five minutes from the murder scene. In the actual footage you can see flash bulbs popping off, presumably taking pics of the scene. Unless he made them undress -- which I guess is possible -- was there some other weapon used?". An arrest has been made in the Delphi murders of two teens, Libby German and Abby Williams, who were found dead near a walking trail in 2017. . He has pleaded not guilty to the charges. There are men going down on this all the time all over the US. Oh, one more thing, Jim. He was also scared to join her group because I was in there and he was afraid of me. Furthermore, almost nothing of consequence is being said, and it reminds you of a night with your friends drinking, and no one says one thing of importance for hours. 2/13, 2:13, 2-13. Im so sorry. Okay, I think I have the name which I garnered from another website. He stayed to guard his truck. Then there is always the question of his occupation. Nations was connected to the Delphi murder because of the similarities between the crimes, and because he bore a strong resemblance to the preliminary police sketch of the Delphi suspect. 4-lane highway. The two men may have been working at the Tyson plant in Logansport, Indiana and may have been shipped to the sister Tyson plant in Waterloo, Iowa, where they were put up temporarily in motels for months at a time. Derrick German: Libbys father, meth dealer, convict who served time in prison and supposedly ratted people out to get a lower sentence. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Powered By WordPress | Royal News Magazine, Takeoff: Killed| How Did Die| Funeral| Age| Latest Net Worth Update, Billie Eilish: Hallowen Costume| Costume 2022| Jesse Rutherford Costume. And if it was 43 seconds, it would be on Libbys phone! We obtained this document via a public records request. The roommate also said he suspected Mr. X of the Evansdale Murders because during the time of the Evansdale Murders, Mr. X and the roommate were both over in Evansdale being put up in hotels for months while they worked on a plant there. Ive been angry at LE today regarding this case. You said parent, so that gives me a clue. Delphi Murders: 5 Years Later, Victim's Sister Clinging to Hope That They say they want to preserve the integrity of the investigation. Delphi murders: What the unsealed documents reveal and the questions So Mr. X was more traumatized by this crime than anyone else, including the victims grandmother who was hurt more than anyone. Delphi murders: Crime Scene| Press Conference Update| Bodies Posed Im thinking theres around 10 more people, in addition to the four youve mentioned, that are involved with a retaliation/revenge motive. Yes, I know. Its more secure. KAK and his Dad. Delphi murders update: Arrest made in 2017 murder of Libby German, Abby All of the speculation about their final moments is unconfirmed. 43 seconds of audio. He could have even confessed to me, but I am still not under obligation to tell the cops. That looks suspicious as Hell. I was never aware that anyone had any good evidence against this harmless-looking fellow. Hasnt he suffered enough? It is high time this comes to fruition. I dont know why that stood out to me. However, we presently lack evidence that Mr. X worked at Indiana Packers. However, the other three have only peripheral involvement and may have committed no crime! BG was very well disguised that day with a white scarf covering the lower half of his face. It is now learned that he was arrested on two counts of murder, however, officials said the case is far from complete.. What are they doing to move this forward? If the father was an underage boy, Im not sure anyone cares. Important facts released by family. Unverified with Some Likelihood of Being True is a common qualification. I hav followed both cases very closely. Yes, that is what I referred to; i.e. Thats the price you pay to live in a free society. The unusual position concepts of posing and staging a murder victim hav I have an official case document here in my hand. But know, this is deliberate. Thats going to be very hard for him to explain. One stepson, age 21 with the same first and last names. Dime a dozen. He took it with him in some sort of hunting pack? A timeline establishing publicly known. There is also no indication as to who took the snap on the Monon High Bridge Trail. Correct. "You have this unspent shell casing near the victims' bodies, but you also have things that are really troubling to me: [The girls] are in one place and their clothes are in another. It was all over by 3:30 PM. I believe that came from the leaked DE texts, and I would really like to know if that has ever been confirmed by anyone in LE. This March marks the 30 th anniversary of the murder of 21 year-old Penn State student, Dana Bailey. Hunting partner of Anthony Greeno, podcaster who has reported on the case avidly. This Feb. 13, 2017, file photo released by the Indiana State Police shows a man walking along the trail system in Delphi, Ind., authorities say is the suspect in the killings of two teenage girls. . I actually had written a letter to law enforcement that I failed to send, of which I was reading from. 14) For more, see video, though this is the gist of it. I didnt remove it. Everything We Know About The Unsolved Delphi Murders - Grunge.com Hey, its a capitalist country, right? Feel free to post about any unsolved case you think is interesting, high profile preferred. Theyre swarming all over this crime scene, and the killer is standing right here under their noses in the midst of the chaos for hours, and these coptards cant figure this out. We think he likes to fool and troll LE. This is at a time when he and his alibi place him out of town in a nearby city. The affidavit states that Indiana State Police and the FBI carried out a search warrant on 25 February 2017 - less than two weeks after Abby and Libby were murdered at Mr Klines home in Peru after tracking down the user of the anthony_shots profile to the property. This what first aroused LE suspicions of Mr. X. Bottle of toilet bowl cleaner in left pocket.*. I tend to think that it goes deeper than only Mr. X being involved though. I saw this being explained in some YT comments to a bunch of brainlets. It doesnt seem like a normal person would stay at that location for all that time. Where his truck was parked was a five minute walk to the crime scene. If one of the girls was pregnant, was the pregnancy a result of intercourse with Mr X? One thing I always have to remind myself of is that LE is allowed to lie to the public. Actually, Jack, the families do not know at all. Both of these people were probably ragers before, so its not like they did a U-turn. Actually there are four suspects in this case and we are not naming any of them. We are very worried that the police may be trying to pin this crime on Kegan and Tony Kline and we know neither one is involved. Days later the State of Indiana issues him a lifetime concealed carry permit signed by Superintendent Doug Carter. It was stated that Libby was nude. Because it doesnt matter whether I think hes guilty or not. That is the statement from the woman on the search team. Based on investigators experience it is reasonable to believe that the creation of an alibi prior to the discovery of a crime indicates culpability or knowledge of the crime, the agent wrote. The suspect has since moved back to North Carolina, and young women have begun to disappear from the trails there now. I dont get that vibe at all with everything I know, but then again I know very little lol. This was just the most underhanded, disgusting display of we need a fall guy, and LE should be ashamed of themselves. Hi folks! I also have to disagree with you about your criticism of the police for calling off the search at 3 AM. Affidavit gives new updates on Dephi murders The March 17, 2017, affidavit sheds lights on the crime scene. It turns out that BGs shoes are dead perfect matches for Indiana Packers workboots.

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