Oil wax floor finishes are poor choices for cabnet finishes. (Plus, the Rubio, the longer it sat there, the more tannins it pulled.) Thanks! She lucked out and her floors look pretty good. Taj Mahal is an example of a crystalline Quartzite. If that does something, it's busted, you don't need to test further. Directly before me was one of the mirrors I have mentioned, in which I saw reflected the tall shape of my friend, Mr. Jennings, leaning over my shoulder, and reading the page at which I was Thank you so much! It was so clean, perfect match for my cabinets, so WHITE (no yellow, gray or beige cast). They are not the same color as my white oak, but shes happy with them. If that does something, it's busted, you don't need to test further. They are still drying and look darker in the photos than they do in person FYI. Thanks for leaving this up. Good luck! If you look for darker colors, you will see fewer color shades in the wood planks. Quartzite gets a bad name due to companies mislabeling marbles, dolomites and sandstone. The reactive simply pulls the tannins. I screwed that up a few times. Several dollars per square foot would be expectedthen you add the $4-$5/sf for the finish. The other two will give you more color. ISO something similar to Hallmark Alta Vista "Malibu" in urethane, Questions about chemicals in vinyl install - foul odor, health probs. Sigh. I waxed it out. WebBona Natural Seal stain on white oak hardwood floor and 3 coats Bona Traffic HD Matte on top. Just just had solid white oak #2 flooring installed in my den. WebBona NordicSeal is a waterborne sanding sealer that is formulated to provide a green alternative to a whitewashed floor without the use of caustic materials such as bleach. Thanks so very much Shannon. My builder said hed work with them even though he never had before and I had several conversations with them. We will have 3500 sq of wood and certainly dont want problems. Your floor looks amazing. Granite and Quartzite have completely different make-ups. We tried a few Duraseal stains on samples and none of them were right. That's how building law works. It is engineered 7 - to be finished on site. And all the answers. Your wood may take the coats differently than our wood. My new white oak floors have 1 coat of Bona Natural Seal and 2 coats of Bona Traffic HD satin. And DuraSeal is not necessarily considered "professional grade". I acknowledged that there would be an upcharge for the TrafficHD and expected it. Trying to make this choice right now(within the next two hours- yikes! and 3 coats of Satin (which satin did you choose since there are 5 satins from Bona). Is there a really hidden section (you only need about 1 inch square) that you don't mind possibly damaging? Ryan Danielson and Angela Watkins did either of you find a solution to achieve the natural white oak finish you were looking for? There are some finishes that are a 'high-gloss satin' but I don't know where Bona Traffic HD satin sits on the glossy or not gloss level. I lost confidence in my floor guy - I think he wasn't wiping the stain off but letting it dry on resulting in washed paint look. It shouldn't if it's in good shape, but don't know what shape it's in, so figure i'd warn you. I will mention some Quartzites have a higher level of porosity and should be sealed regularly. Get the third coat of sealer. I have lived in my new house for 15 months and I love the look of my floors - they are easy to decorate with and give the home a warm but "cool" look at the same time. @mtpo sorry to bring this thread back. If so, they are normal surface marking, nothing to worry about. It doesn't make sense. I have some anxiety he didn't apply the poly in the correct thickness. The white background wasnt a true white but it wasnt bad and the marbling was pretty. It won't tell you what caused the scratching (glass particles in sand is the usual culprit. It was one coat of seal. No scrape, no scratch, no nothing. Have experienced installers figured out how to use the Nordic in open floor plan homes? We went with the Bona Nordic and Traffic HD. Imagine if that would have been quartz? However, I failed to visualize the tan natural against the grey bathroom tile. The use of water based is VASTLY different from oil based. Yep. Not quite "honey oak" but not far from it. Dark floors are pretty popular with clients but as you mention usually going with white or painted cabinets. The ClassicSeal will offer a hint of yellow but will not be horrible. If so what brand and color was used? We tried a few Duraseal stains on samples and none of them were right. Milesi or Renner, etc etc. In real life, they dont have as much brown as in the photo. @mtpo - When will your floors be finished? For my white oak floors - thinking of using Bona Natural Sealer or Classic or Intense. W Spray Mop Kit EJD1462712 I checked Durasupreme and they have white oak but not in the shade we like. Would love to see finished product! He is a small shop and me and one other of his clients are the first to ask him for a "raw look" rift sawn white oak door. In this video, Joe demonstrates how to use Bona NordicSeal to achieve a whitewashed look in a hardwood floor. But they did just complete a project with Bona NordicSeal. I wish people would just post the actual products they use as there are a lot of great examples but no "recipes". You need to start watered down, for they are strongjust take good notes of your ratios, LOL. @Renee Czeryba, my advice: when you test put sealer and finish on top to see how it is really going to look. The stain alone does not protect the floors, just adds color. The installer did a great job with the install, he fell down with the stain and finish. Looking for something similar to yours, thank you! They are *very* hard, and you will be hard pressed to find a coating that stands up to them), but it would tell you that the floor coating appears to at least be behaving. It's hard to tell how deep those scratches are. If ending up with the typical honey oak is my only choice, then I'd rather just get painted maple/mdfwhich isn't what I want! A new color true black is introduced by Duraseal. My husband and I had 5" white oak floors installed and we are like the look of one coat of Bona Nordic Seal and two coats of satin water based polyurethane on our floors. It is the way it is normally done. I am actually in the process of having a quart sample of the Milesi Natural Effect 2k finish sent my way. I personally feel a reputable stone supplier and fabricator will educate you in mineral composition, stone formation, and inform you how and where the stones are quarried. This was such a great informative thread. Looks like it was a screen shot with the flooring compan of Seattle Hardwood out of Mukilteo. HELP!!! My guess would be red oak since they have gone more orange. Houzz Pro: One simple solution for contractors and design pros. Look out for inexperience. Can you apply the Bona NaturalSeal and then apply a couple coats of something like the Renner? We are prepping for a remodel and I have been using my kids roll of art paper and taping it to the ceiling to construct mock ups of potential walls. But some of the most popular recent kitchens on Houzz tell a different story, Whether light and breezy or rich and moody, these wood-rich kitchens might make you rethink painted cabinets, If you favor a little color in your kitchen, look to these spaces that run the gamut from light to dark, See how the most popular kitchen cabinet color effortlessly supports a variety of inviting design features, Tired of white? Bona Traffic HD is 10 times EASIER to find (but a snick harder to work with). . I think over the years, they learned how to avoid distressed clients who hate the finished floor color. I hope these help someone! Ask for Bona Mega One. Plato has the white oak shade we like - nude cream - but the estimate came in really high. I am on info overload. All the questions and answers have been helpful to me when I have come looking, so I wanted to post photos from today that will possibly help others choose. @J Sk did you use natural sealer or natural stain? When he did the sample with a white stain (Duraseal) and my red oak floor turned pink, I stopped the work and started searching for a new guy. If you you know you are doing something we offer on floor samples (3x3) in many combinations and finishes. WebOld worn white oak floors get a makover with Provincial stain to achieve a warm medium toned brown. See the before and afters and why we chose this color. Here is a link of various lighting for At Ease (it's not shiny at all). I purchased white oak high grade for our railings and black iron - our floors are Provenza At Ease and my railings match GREAT now, but need to seal them - what do you recommend? A friend of mine had her red oak floors sanded and bleached to get the pink out and then sealed them. These posts priceless. Carly, please provide source for your floors, exactly what Im looking for. How much should I expect the Traffic HD to change the color? If it does nothing: Take a piece of masking tape (not painters tape). I fear, though, that the amber color has penetrated the wood since a sealer was not used and I am stuck with a yellow floor. If, youre looking for a small amount. I would say he under bid the job and was pushing himself to finish (he rushed the stainwhich is why it is inconsistent) so that he could move on and make money on another job. His maternal grandfather, Justice Thomas Smith, had been for many years a prominent lawyer and a distinguished judge in Philadelphia, and his maternal great-uncle, the Rev. I answered them in order. Nordic seal is not a easy product to put down, unless you have experience. We sell stone, fabricate and install countertops so we're there every step of the way which keeps me up to date on pretty much every stone that is used today. AhemRight??? Thank you to all of the experts for weighing in. If you are paying for professional grade products, just make sure you are GETTING professional grade products. The sand/finish guys sampled natural seal, amber seal and IntenSeal. I prefer to see 3 coats of the finishbut the Bona sealants are designed to be 'film building' sealants so they will add to the performance. Nordic seal has white pigments. less. Don't change chemical companies in the middle of a refinish. Maybe I will just buy new bathrobes for me and DH instead. White oak seems to be kind of tricky. Ill try to get a better photo next time I go to the house (were still not in). He can work a section. @HU-6868130 your herringbone looks amazing! You can get a natural matte finish in medium- light tones with the colors mist, natural, white 5%, white, and cotton white. WebApplication of the sealer will alter the chemical structure of the porous sandstone or natural stone providing a excellent water repellent and stain resistant surface. The coating should not come up. Its really helpful to see the product on YOUR wood. Just found out distributors only sale in gallon sizeso its not going to be an option for metoo expensive to pay for gallons in seal and finish just to test it. ), Make sure your installer has experience using the Bona products and especially the Nordic. They do their own fuming there I found it interesting to learn about that too. So I suppose its even better than 3 coats in 3 days as I originally thought given your advice. It won't tell you what caused the scratching (glass particles in sand is the usual culprit. DuraSeal is light on the wallet (of the contractor) so they like to use it. Just a little darker then the natural rift oak. WebBona DriFast Stain mix of White and Grey with two coats of Bona NaturalSeal and finished off with Mega ONE on this beautiful floor by Beyond The Grain Custom Design with Territory Manager, Jeff Offredo, on site. I am attempting to coordinate real white oak with white oak LVPthe unfinished white oak is an amazing match to the Paradigm Conquest Windsor and Towerwanting to basically stain/seal the posts and rails in a way that changes the natural state the least, neutralizing any weed tones. I'd say I send back at least 20 bundles a year that are not true Quartzites even though they are passed off to me as such. Was a bit of a risky choice, went with a pretty unusual/bold extra wide 5" wide pattern and I think it turned out well. I didnt know what I wanted for finish when I contracted the job and their quote was for a cheaper finish. The least porous Quartzites are actually called crystalline Quartzites. The 'big boys' of the finishing industry are 2-3 times more expensive than DuraSeal (and for good reason) which means the professionals will make less money. All of their materials will have to be paid for (as part of your contract), but it can be done. It may not be the same price you would get if you buy it yourself from Cochrans. Houzz utilise des cookies et d'autres technologies de suivi similaires pour personnaliser mon exprience utilisateur, me proposer du contenu pertinent et amliorer ses produits et services. And dont go forward unless they are willing to give you samples with ALL the finished coats. WebUsing Bona NordicSeal to Create a Whitewashed Hardwood Floor Ever since greige became a big trend, people have been trying to lighten up their homes. WebBona AB is a family-owned, sustainably-driven company that supplies products for installing, renovating, maintaining and restoring premium floors. If you said you wanted the look of 'raw wood' then matte is what they would have brought. (BTW - We ran into the issue with getting character grade mixed into our select a bit too, very frustrating!). It didnt seem to show the variations in the wood, light to dark, etc, grain, etc. My vanity with Corian and porcelain sink. The 'oil based' finishes that base costs of a finish allow 45 MINUTES of wet edge. Can a bathroom door swing out instead of in? Blue tape is where some contractors messed things up. I talked to the contractor and told him that I had to figure out a different finish. The real way this is tested is actually even meaner to the floor - normally you take a box cutter, cross-hatch the floor (IE cut it in a grid pattern), and then put the tape on it and rip it up. It offers a bigger margin of profit. I did look at photo posts to get an idea of what product/color I was looking for as I wanted something a little more custom and different. In real life, they look lighter and more uniform in color than shows up on my iPhone. You only need an inch. Their attention to detail. p.s. It was not supportive or helpful. When it came to a finish, I didn't want any red or yellow coloration. Thank you for asking. Installing an 8" plank with full spread glue is EXPENSIVE (the labour alone is intense). By clicking Accept I agree to this, as further described in the Houzz Cookie Policy. We were going after the Studio McGee house look attached. Thx for sharing. The samples are done AFTER you hire the professional but BEFORE you put down the stain! White Oak: Floor Pros! Qs on Nordic and Bona haze @mtpo Your floors are beautiful. Not a one. Carly, we are trying to decide between Bona Classic Seal or Natural Seal? Ahhhh. I read that Natural has a bit of white in it too to avoid the yellow, but unsure if that is fact. Then the installer goes over it a second time causing lap marks or white lines. I"m just assuming you don't want to cut up your floor. There is a haze to the floors as someone posted its most likely due to the matte finish. White streaks in floor. Bona They were great to work with. We just installed 5 white oak throughout our home. Many, many, many more professional grade finishes. Can two finish coats be done in a day or should there be a day between all 3 coats? It has been a nightmare trying to find this look in my area. The fabricator was really nice and pulled whole Quartz slabs from his warehouse into the parking lot for me to see. Houzz Pro: One simple solution for contractors and design pros. If they are not able to confirm to you what material it is, then look elsewhere for your countertop fabrication. The builder already ordered the wood. Oak floors are beautiful and timeless. Not the best lighting. What was really helpful to us is that the installer did lots of different samples for us and every new layer of the top coat changed how the wood looked. Use Bona Naturaseal for the look you want. True Quartzite is higher on the mohl's scale of hardness then granite. Seems I also read that it may not even cover that much some places. Every client after that training will pay extra for his/her expertise. They either look to white/milkey or they are orangish yellow. I love the natural, light color of the hardwood. I have some anxiety he didn't apply the poly in the correct thickness. Then go with water based and be done with it. According to WFB's 2020 State of the Industry Contractor Survey Report, in 2019 red oak made up 48% of installed species and white oak made up 32% will slightly darken the floors and sort of intensify the variation (the sample boards almost looked wet to me). Look forward to more pictures. Contact your Bona rep to understand all the options with the Bona System or view our catalog here: https://bit.ly/3eqqhSK. That's like painting a master piece with 10 minutes on the clock. The one that Bona advertizes as clear made our wood look a tiny bit orange. Here are some of my samples. We are wrapping up our new build and the floor stain choice was today. Site finish your floors with Rubio monocoat and get exactly what you want. Source: elsesun.com. Just about the time I had to FINALLY make a decision (about a year later than when I started due to the architects goof ups and COVID shut downs), the Corian fabricator sent me a couple 4x4 samples of Glacier White. The pillow is from our sofa. He will then send the sample to a Sherwin Williams Product Finishes Store and they will match the sample. You only need an inch. Please dont post again while I figure out how to delete this post. I used no filter on the photos, on an overcast morning from different angles. G&S generally makes great comments and has solid analysis but in this case he assumed something not in evidence and commented based on that. I'm sorry you felt diminished. It's hard to tell how deep those scratches are. The only design mistake in the house (IMHO) is this floor - the sample and photos looked so different!). Streetshoe by basics + their stain line. Here are pictures of Bona Natural and Traffic HD on white oak for anyone wondering, Gorgeous! And it is taking me some time to get used to a matte floor. Attached is a photo of the hardwood unfinished without stain. 1,303 views Oct 22, 2020 We originally sanded this floor almost 20 years ago, this time the customer wanted a much lighter color. More great information. It has come out very well. The 3 coats of finish (the expensive HD stuff) is the Gold Standardbut 2 coats + sealant is still very good. :). I believe they put Bona Mega One over the top just for example, but we will be using Bona Traffic HD. Is there a really hidden section (you only need about 1 inch square) that you don't mind possibly damaging? I know one of the Milesi products in the natural effects side does contain a UV filter. @mtpo - Your floors look BEAUTIFUL, thank you for sharing the pics, I can't wait to see the final product. Please leave this post up. sherwin williams duraseal Bona Naturale will also do this. Carlyweiss, your post and pictures are so helpful for those of us in the choosing process. Of course the MORE coats you put on today.the FEWER coats you have to ADD in 15 years time (called a buff and coat and costs $3/sf on average). But maybe it is just old and scratched over the years? There was a warning on the front door telling everyone to stay out. The good news is the installer will have learned his lesson: do NOT under bid a project just to win it. Compare that to the 2 MINUTES you have with Bona! My suggestion is to figure out what type of 'cleaning' person you are. Many people would give their eyeteeth for floors of that quality. if so, the bank may be able to give you your money back if you dispute the charge for red oak and the install. I still love the white oak but maybe with less wood cabinets maple will be ok. Then the next day a coat of finish. How are you liking it so far? WebBona - WM710013496 - 16.5 in. While I am not happy that we are all having this issue - I am somewhat relived to see that I am actulally not losing my mind that this look should be achievable in some fashion . @mtpo did you ever post final pictures of your floor? If you like to see a shiny floor RIGHT AFTER you clean the floor (because it makes you feel like you've accomplished something) then you are what I refer to as a 'clean-shiny' person. So far, this seems to be going well. Cant wait to see the reveal, @mtpo - Floors are looking fabulous! They don't turn orangebut they do throw a strong YELLOW hue onto the floors. I have a dog that has an occasional accident. Quartzite is a metamorphic stone.. Sandstone converts to Quartzite from extreme heat and pressure. NaturalSeal adds the LEAST amount of 'colour' (either white or yellowdoesn't matter) of all the sealants in the Bona line up. There are some lap lines on the floors from the sealer. And you want to have 3 coats total. It is a way for everyone to see how easy it is to misunderstand posts. Bona NaturalSeal has a bit of white pigment (less than NordicSeal). We told the company to put 3 coats of the Bona product on the floors. Use natural seal. Ill post more pictures when I get back to the house. Don't test just with sealer. If not, you can at least trivially test the floor: First. A hint of tan. I want to make sure the floor is fully coated and not have to buff and finish again sooner than would normally be necessary. If neither does anything to your floor, the floor coating is at least in reasonable shape. Now green is having a moment in the kitchen, Understand how sunlight affects your rooms and get tips on choosing paint colors for each type of exposure, Do you love perfection or patina? All you have are tge home centers to choose from. WebWe just installed 5 white oak throughout our home. I like the stains that are made by the same company that makes the finish. If youre really interested, Ill call the installer Brazilian Floors and see if he still has the info. I DEFINITELY reccomend reading reviews for fabricators before choosing who you'll use . Red oak floors look horrible, help with light stain colors needed! A red oak floor does not need sealant. How to keep red oak floors light and natural? As G & S states, the sealers will not AMBER over time (as in get DARKER) but the IntenseSeal and the ClassicSeal will offer SOME tan/yellow. I think I would have done semi-gloss as a base and the matte as a final top coat or maybe satin as a top coat. I agree that Bona Natural or Bona Classic will likely be what we choose. So in my mind better to research and ask questions than not. Rift white oak lowers and white uppers. That leave NaturalSeal, ClassicSeal and IntenSeal. I'm thinking of using HI-MACS LG Hausys solid surface countertops, which I think is similar to Corian. For a house your size and a $50k budget. There is a haze to the floors as someone posted its most likely due to the matte finish. * I didn't know that Classic Sealer added yellow that Natural Sealer did not but I didn't have anything to compare it to. Thank you for your feedback. Thank you for your input. Never make color selections off a computer screen or printed brochure. Find the right local pro on Houzz to kickstart your project. Just wondering if 2 coats of the Traffic HD is enough or should I add a 3rd coat of the finish even in rooms that arent used as heavily? That means a coat of Sealant and two coats of finish. Weve been in the house with our two pups a little over a year now and the floors are holding up - so far, so good. Hi thanks in advance for your help We are having white oak installed and finished on site. We went with that because the sample board looked exactly like the bare sanded wood, which is what we wanted. He had 15 years of experience doing only floors and was highly recommended to me. Not sure if this is helpful but attached are picks of recently completed white oak with Bona natural seal followed by Bona traffic HD extra matte finish. @mtpo We are also considering the Bona nordic seal on white oak. Thank you! Bona (I didnt think about this before adding the bookcases.) I am very picky with the stones I purchase. Absolutely love the matte finish. I think of a coat of sealant as 1/2 a coat of finish. Some of us dont have either the budget or access to a multitude of cabinet makers so trying to work with them on getting the desired finish. You have NOT hired installer yet! @Mary Elizabeth I think we have narrowed it down to Ciranova's products..after testing theirs, Rubio Monocoat and several Pallman's waxes, plus a number of normal stains. It wasnt 3 coats in one day. Did you put your deposit down on a charge card? I disagree that it was not an attack on me as G & Ss follow up comment said, oh yeah, hidden message. Dark Hardwood Floors vs. Light Hardwood Floors? Take the time to try all of the sample combinations. Your house lay out seems very much like ours! They held up to move in with no major scratches. Eager to see what you chose and how it turned out. One more thing, the rooms Ive put this flooring in are the master bedroom, guest bedroom and an office, so no heavily trafficked areas. I hope I get into the house before any subcontractors mess them up again! He said mitering the edges is a nightmare (if you dont mitre, there is a white edge because the color doesnt go all the way through - at least the marble design I chose). Try this color if you want a darker shade. We got select I think its 3/4 thick and 7 wide. Also hope this helps .. colors hard to see on monitor, I tested classic seal, white stain and Nordic seal as well. Here Bona Natural is on the left in front of fireplace and Nordic is on the right surrounded by sanded white oak. Two things to do: First, drag your fingernail across it, see what happens. 1 coat seal and 2 coats finish. Getting gloomy from cool gray? Its not a guarantee that the floors wont get damaged, but perhaps the extra coat will buy me a little more time to clean up a wet spot. WebBona sealer to avoid uneven tannin pull due to using a water based poly, (especially on white oak), no stain, then Bona Traffic HD. Im glad we didnt go darker. "1 coat seal and 2 coats finish. Now green is having a moment in the kitchen, These design moves will add even more to white kitchen cabinets appeal, Find out the most popular countertop, flooring, cabinet, backsplash and paint picks among homeowners who are renovating, Neutrals still dominate cabinet color. Home Layout Changes - Full Remodel - Please help me decide! :), @bowmeister67 and @widdy23 I used exactly what bowmeister said , 1 coat of Bona Nordic seal and 3 coats of Bona Traffic HD satin. Absolutely, I can see that. It must be sanded down and done again. I am posting some final outcome pictures in different rooms and lighting. It shouldn't if it's in good shape, but don't know what shape it's in, so figure i'd warn you. @kasmit00 Did you ever find the recipe for your post from last year with the beautiful soft "brown" floors? Here are our raw floors right now. Could my response be taken incorrectly?

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